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00:00 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So this is what the future will look like. So it's like we're.

00:05 Patrick Motsch: But in the future, we'll have faces.

00:06 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So we will.

00:07 Patrick Motsch: Yes.

00:09 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Co work with AI, right? So this is basically what we're looking at.

00:12 Patrick Motsch: Yes. And you know, as you say it, it's the first time that I realized that, yes, we have now a hybrid team.

00:18 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

00:20 Patrick Motsch: Yeah. Yes, we already do it.

00:23 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): It's good that we have another human being entering the the virtual room. Welcome you.

00:27 Patrick Motsch: We feel so alone.

00:30 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So I needed to accept you and I need to accept 3 participants and then Patrick joined your meeting note taker joint and another ibot joint.

00:42 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Crazy.

00:45 Patrick Motsch: Yeah.

00:45 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Crazy. Yeah, I know. Well, it's it's a bit I had to say. We're getting used to what works and what doesn't work right.

00:56 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): I'm actually so this week, this week. So we're using copilot right in. You know that, and initially I think when we started.

01:05 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah, yeah. Copa is getting better and better.

01:07 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So initially it was not maybe too good but now so I needed to apply for this DSH role. Formally, I'm already doing it, but I needed to do an assessment. All these kind of things, so I used the new version of copilot and I could enable something in in the copilot as well. And so I I really put in my my I think I did a sort of a test sort of personality test and then something else. I put it all in copilot. So OK, help me to prepare for the assessment. And it was so damn good. So the the summary of my of my of this of this of this test was was incredible. It was beyond expectations, but then also the way copilot helped me to prepare so spot on. It was actually scared me a little bit. I thought, holy crap, what are my kids doing at school?

02:02 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. Well, good question, right. Good question. I mean, the education system is is of course, not keeping up with with all these developments for sure. And it's, yeah, it's but. But it's also interesting that also Mike. And so when I when I kind of you know it's a it's kind of a journey. Let's say, right? But when I put it all in. It's amazing what comes out, yeah. I like, but we all know shit in the shit out. So if it's yeah, if you put it right. So yeah, but good to, good to good, to, good to now. And so, so are you now? Are you now? Are things looking good, Peter, that you will still be having this job one month from now?

02:50 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I actually this is also so if you're in such a role, ready for a long time, and then the company all of a sudden says, yeah, you need to go to formal process, including assessment interviews. This was this happened during my holiday. And they even asked me. To to do the interview during the holiday, I was a bit a bit pissed. So the guys. But then then I then I thought, let's see it as a gift also, Fabian said to me. Let's see the assessment as a gift because it will give you a lot of. Feedback. And I take it like this. So I was also not nervous. It was OK and it is also a gift to in that sense, yeah.

03:30 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. No, I mean, of course I understand the sentiment. It's like hello people. I helped build this whole thing from day one. But yeah, yeah, I guess. And I think it's also a German labour law, right? Or the the whole it's or. I know if it's German, but it's I think it's kind of.

03:49 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Well, I think it's fun to talk overall policy to always include an assessment for an to an up positions. So yeah, it's it's also fine. You need to accept those kind of things. There's a lot of benefits working in a corporate and this is maybe some of the things you just need to accept.

04:05 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Cool. All right, wonderful. Jen so we have our first stapler interview 1 1/2 hours from now. I sent you a an interview guide this early morning. I'm formally still on vacation, so it was kind of I would have hoped to send it earlier, but anyway I'm happy I got it out early early this morning. So shall we go through that or Peter, how would how do you wanna run it?

04:37 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah. So first of all, first of all, thanks a lot for this. Quite excited to start and it's it's interesting. I'm very happy that we're going to start because it's it's highly needed. It's always like when you set something up you might think, yeah, we could also do next year, but no, we need to do it now. So it's really good that we start, I I need to share because I've always super open to your room and I will also be to you, Patrick.

05:04 Patrick Motsch: OK.

05:04 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): I was a bit nervous this morning.

05:05 Patrick Motsch: OK.

05:06 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Also, so I will start later on to give a bit of context about Tobias in this role. I think it could be interesting.

05:14 Patrick Motsch: OK.

05:14 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah, yeah.

05:14 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): I looked at your preparation. I have a few comments also there, so thanks a lot. Yeah, so I can immediately start or by giving a bit of context.

05:26 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Dive in, I would say. I think less dive in Patrick, is that OK to dive in?

05:29 Patrick Motsch: Victor, I think also I already commented. It's good, perfect. Let's go through.

05:33 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Maybe I can first start with the context. I think it's relevant. So what I want to interest is digital unit and the digital and and and the procurement and hardware is a little bit little bit of different animal in this whole journey is what I feel. So Tobias, the guy that we're going to talk to at one is, is a real professional. So it's it's he will be amongst the top five most brilliant procurement people in in waterfall. Not as a procurement. Executor but as a manager. So he's really senior, highly experienced and and also very nice guy. Procurement. And So what I like about the the part of the part of your your program interview guide is that we will talk about the collaboration and how we can elevate it to the next level. I believe we need to spend a lot of time there because how we work is that in, in, in the current constellation, as the procurement is basically following immobility, strategy and vision. So procurement is is might have a procurement vision of course. But they basically follow the business. So we as a business need to have a clear strategy and a clear vision. We need to tell procurement what we want and of course they can think along with us. But then they are the experts to execute in the best way possible. This is also where it currently hurts because they are at the moment more professional than we are. So we come with an assignment. Then they define design, A brilliant strategy and and start to procure, and then along the way, we constantly adjust. With just the volumes we in the years, I don't. We actually didn't think it through properly and then we just again and this is probably what he will bring up hopefully.

07:28 Patrick Motsch: OK.

07:28 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So I I would find it interesting to maybe not look into how can we digitalise his work. I don't. I don't know if we need to go there, but I would find interesting is the angle of looking at what actually do. We need to incorporate in our vision and strategy. From his perspective. And. Yeah, maybe pause for a moment.

07:56 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: So what we need to incorporate? Yeah, what we need to incorporate.

07:59 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): This makes sense what I'm saying. I think he could benefit from a great strategy on the immobility side where he can give of course input too. We need him for that, but this is a bit of context and angle that I'm looking for.

08:08 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think? Is his mood like? Because I can imagine that over time that becomes kind of frustrating exercise then to follow the all the all the adjustments from the BU or not or how would you? How would you describe that? I mean, we're all human, so.

08:25 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): He's he's a professional, so his mood will be will be good. My my. My collaboration with him is really good, so he likes me. I like him, so he also thinks that I'm a professional. He doesn't. He doesn't think the BU is so professional at the moment, so he has high trust in me. I have high trust in him, so that's good. And and this is also why the the opening will be important. So I will explain the initiative and and I think this is also hopefully what he will think. Ah, that's also needed.

08:58 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Good. OK, OK.

09:01 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): But then let's not try maybe. To try to improve his process, of course, he might also need to do that somewhere, but I believe first starts with immobility. Actually, if you if you know what I mean.

09:14 Patrick Motsch: OK, see.

09:19 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Sure.

09:22 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So let's listen to him. What he's facing and and and exactly so your question around to be elevated to the next level in service of a really good question.

09:32 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: OK.

09:32 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah. Does it make sense or or? Hello.

09:39 Patrick Motsch: Absolutely. Very important to understand how we shape it because we have quite a lot of questions also in his domain in the four prime end point for procurement, about his business to do. So as I understood you just to keep this short and not to dive in because.

09:55 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, I'm a bit daunting. If you would need to go into his business, we can of course ask if you need support or if we can help him, but otherwise it would almost feel a bit arrogant. We coming with a project to improve his department.

10:08 Patrick Motsch: It's a very good point.

10:09 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Well, actually his department is performing outstanding versus ours.

10:12 Patrick Motsch: I see. Share on my truth change chapter four 40s because these questions we need to adapt.

10:18 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. Yeah, maybe it's like. Maybe it's it's so how can we elevate the collaboration? Let's see what comes out. Maybe there are. There are indeed things that. The that DSH can do to, to. Not only in in terms of strategy, but also in terms of executing the strategy to to make their life easier. Yeah. OK. So. OK, good. All right. That was the and and I think it's good Peter ended for you to open the. So I'm going to share. I'll share the. I'll share the screen now. This makes sense. Good for you to open. The the session, yeah. Might need. Yeah, I mean, obviously. Well, that's important, right? So because these interviews and and why they do them with the three of us. It's well, well, Patrick and I, it's always better to do them together because when one is interviewing the other, one can take notes. Even though we have AI know taking. A double. Well, we probably take one Peter to the not to create an overwhelm, but. I think your role or the the add benefit for you to be part of every interview is that it. It also helps you to position yourself as the. The DSH leader now, and so right as.

12:02 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah. And he and he knows I will. I will spend time on this intro and explaining the why and yeah yeah.

12:08 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. And so. And not only for Tobias, but also for all other stakeholders, because this is the end of the yeah, one of the first times, if not the first time that that, that this interviewees will experience you fully in that role, let's say and and and really driving it. Yeah.

12:26 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah. Yeah, good point. Good point.

12:26 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: So step in from that with that mindset. So you're you're showing up first time as fulltime DSH leader. And you are in a gentle and authentic way. Taking. Yeah. Taking ownership. Taking charge. So that's. That's your your moment there. And then yeah, after you've done that to explain the why. And yeah, like I said, purpose and I included a list of a list of interviewees. I don't. I don't don't think we have Fabian yet, but I definitely think we should have him so. Because it also allows for for you to ask him. Since then, and maybe we can put him on the end, we can already also playback a few things. Already kind of in officially. But then this is the list, right?

13:20 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, yeah.

13:23 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Very good then. Yeah, of course we will introduce ourselves after you hand off to to me. On the line that it's recorded in a GD. PR compliant way. Now there are this on the European servers. I actually did a checkbox pay extra for European servers, but you know I'm happy to do so. The free the free version doesn't do that. You have to pay the paid version so, but that's good. Yeah then. A bit of intro from his side but. Yeah, as far as needed, I would say it's for us to understand his responses. Can we go into two? Right. So it's how, how well do we know? Yeah. Does he know E mobility? Do you know the B US primary strategic targets? Nature. What do you think of these questions, Peter? These three questions under.

14:25 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah. So he does.

14:27 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: 2.

14:29 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): No immobility very well.

14:30 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah.

14:31 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Targets I think, also quite well.

14:36 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: OK. So we don't ask you to any.

14:38 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So I think the third question is most relevant and the second, by the way as well. But the third is most relevant and that we need to spend a lot of time.

14:46 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: OK. So then I'll scrap the first one, because that might come across as though we haven't spoken to you then. Does that make sense?

14:54 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): True, true, true. Yeah.

14:54 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: So we simply skip that one, yeah. OK. Are you also taking notes here, Patrick?

15:04 Patrick Motsch: He does it. Wait, he does not make enable to work in one version.

15:09 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: No, exactly, but so you are. You are working in this. I will save mine as a different one then.

15:14 Patrick Motsch: And I go out and don't save. No, you continue because I have my comments. I can take them out, OK.

15:22 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: OK. Yeah, it's that doesn't work. It only works for Google Docs. I said myosopy. Never mind.

15:33 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): I have

15:39 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Alright, so nature of your relationship. Yeah. Nature of your relationship. As in personal relationship, but actually you said he's a he's a manager, so you probably also need to talk about his team's relationship with E mobility or or yeah.

15:53 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): So he is indeed managing the team that is helping immobility.

15:58 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. Alright, then we go into tech vision and framework. Yeah. Yeah. So because we very much believe in this, in spirit of Co creation. Because we believe it builds better products, better results, we also like to invite. All participants of this kickoff phase into that mindset, so also Tobias. Which is why why we would also love to hear from him how does actually. He he defined tech vision. And then after that we. The next question is we've done some brainstorming and and this is what we come up with. As relevant in this context. So these are obviously leadership culture, strategy, data, AI and operating model. So these are the things that we will touch upon and we'd love to hear also his input in that.

17:05 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Thank you.

17:05 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: So yeah. So that's just kind of to feel to kind of get a feeling for what he feels is part of this. Patrick, please.

17:12 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): We could also say what kind of what kind of what kind of procurement. Initiatives or procurement developments are relevant for us to know when it comes to defining our tech vision. For instance, So what is? What is going there? Probably a lot is also ongoing within procurement. How? How? What kind of things? There are relevant for us to know now while we are defining efficient.

17:39 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah.

17:40 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): You can also ask him how he wants to contribute or how does he see his team. Those kind of things. It was maybe already in the list of questions.

17:50 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: OK. Good. And then how strong is this translation actually in your procurement strategy? Yeah. And what's your vision for Procurement's role in the company's digital future? Patrick, do you want to comment on that? Any.

18:10 Patrick Motsch: I fear no comments. It's good.

18:12 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: OK, good.

18:14 Patrick Motsch: On the next on the next slide then.

18:16 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: So this is quite solid. Yeah, but then this is the question. Like what do we do with this section? So I think the conclusion.

18:23 Patrick Motsch: Can you go to the other document now that the original? Because I posted not the revised questions that we take him as an expert, a supporting role. And don't not that we ask about his business. That we can take a look at this reviews revised version.

18:39 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: OK.

18:40 Patrick Motsch: Just check is it this? Yes. Now I would start like this. The first task, him as an expert, but he said also this to take him as an expert and not to tell about his business.

18:51 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Nice.

18:54 Patrick Motsch: Attorney general.

18:55 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): A good, good question, Patrick. Really good question one and two.

18:58 Patrick Motsch: I think I just changed the set now you know because before it was that he's in the lead that we asked about his business. Now I ask him as a supplier. Not to buy a supporter a supportive process.

19:14 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, perfect. I think that's good. And let's also see what he brings up. Could be that we based on what he's saying.

19:21 Patrick Motsch: Now he can tell he can tell everything around what he heard, what he does not like, what he likes.

19:27 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah.

19:27 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Good.

19:28 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Like us. Like us, like us. What a quick game, Patrick.

19:32 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: I will. So I will put these in then yeah, into the into this one. Yep.

19:38 Patrick Motsch: But so we exchange it, then we are safe.

19:39 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Very good. Wonderful. And then we have the conclusion. Yeah, it would be good to have to start the conclusion 10 minutes before the end.

19:50 Patrick Motsch: So you're the time keeper, Sharon, because I speak.

19:54 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: I'm I'm happy to do that. Yeah, I'm happy to do that. I'm.

19:56 Patrick Motsch: So we can do pre work handed yellow hand. You know, somewhere you can put the hand.

20:01 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah, I will. I will. I will simply say it, I think.

20:06 Patrick Motsch: I also will try to look you know, but it's it's always better to have double checked, yeah.

20:09 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: No, no, I understand. And I think the also the secret is in not spending too much time in the beginning.

20:15 Patrick Motsch: Yes.

20:15 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Of course the setting.

20:17 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): I will talk for 30 minutes for my intro. Is that OK?

20:18 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Exactly. Yeah. I was gonna say the the setting the scene is quite crucial. But then if we spend a lot of time on the first questions, then yeah, and then and the personal introductions that that we can typically keep crisp.

20:32 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): And you just mentioned shit in shit shit out. This is also I wrote it down and it's actually also very applicable to the relation between hardware team and procurement. Not seriously. So our lack of our vision, lack of our proper follow, at least that's actually shared in and then he's doing his best, but still shit out.

20:50 Patrick Motsch: Mm-hmm.

20:51 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:53 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): But OK, sorry for this interruption.

20:55 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: That's great. You know, so. So let's let's set a firm intention that that this initiative will will really improve that that situation a lot. Yeah. So and then of course, there's it starts with. Have we missed anything? And then we thank him and then maybe back to you, Peter, to explain the next steps. Basically next steps is. Next week we have all the interviews and then we have a week to kind of calibrate and and synthesize and then the week after that we have. Our kickoff. Virtual kickoff sessions with with the core team. To which he is also, which he's also a part. Let me see just to double check my words, but I will see.

21:48 Patrick Motsch: You take a lindora. I can also check, yeah.

21:50 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah, we have him. We have Peter Fabian, Nietzsche and us, yeah. Yeah. So that's on Tuesday, 16 and then we have kind of, yeah, if we need more time slot on on the 18th. Which is, I think, Patrick said he could not make that. But yeah, it's.

22:15 Patrick Motsch: It's the lunch time that I cannot do. I can do it in the morning or in the afternoon, but not during lunch time.

22:20 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. So between between one was the only slot that that everyone.

22:27 Patrick Motsch: I know, I know. Yeah, yeah.

22:27 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: So I I would say let's leave that for now. If that's works, Patrick, then because it's also maybe we already get to where we need to be on Tuesday.

22:39 Patrick Motsch: Absolute no problem.

22:41 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: So, OK, good or good, OK. So that's the next steps, Peter. And then? After the the kickoff, obviously there is. Yeah. Then then. Then then we define the follow up part of that. We will of course go create a direction during the kickoff, right? But then we will go back to the three of us together with Fabio to to then. Distill an approach. And then, of course, we also need to kind of recontract the roles, whether, how, who does what, et cetera. So that's the next step. That that have been that are on my mind, but maybe you have extra. Yeah, more next steps or yeah. How do you see that Peter?

23:32 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): No, I think I think this is for now. He's also the 1st. We were talking to. This is fine. This is good enough.

23:40 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: All right, cool.

23:42 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): I will do that part. I will prepare it during lunch and. Intro and outro. Yeah.

23:47 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Excellent. Yeah. And I always like to also. I mean, of course, we're keeping it a limited number of stakeholder interviews to gain insights and help craft the kick off. But it's also interesting from him to hear like who should we be involving at some point in this in this process, right? So not per SE to kick off, but like Steffan and Steven, we will of course be. Speaking to in the phase one, or maybe he also has Stephane and Stephen's that we. To take into account. So or maybe he has other things on his mind. That so that was my. That was my idea too. So because he's he's on the periphery, let's say, right? So within the BU we have quite good visibility of who we should, who we need to pull in and not. But in his case, I I think for me, it's at least not not so clear. OK then. Yeah, but so from from there on, I would say you you do. Then explain the next steps and then you ask him, hey, is there anyone else that we need to be thinking of in, in the next phase from your team? And then you you can.

25:01 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, probably China, one of his managers that is closely working with Steffan, yeah.

25:03 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Good. OK, super. And then you can close the call I think. Yeah. So that's kinda how we what we had in mind. Yeah. So tomorrow I told you if there are any any other questions coming up. Yeah, we can't all work in one document. Yes.

25:25 Patrick Motsch: Three former things share on May I3 formal things. First, at first, do we show the questions to him on the screen or we only speak? What do you think?

25:33 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: I I.

25:34 Patrick Motsch: It's a front Contra won't would like to have your opinion on this also.

25:36 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. I typically speak. So the only slide.

25:43 Patrick Motsch: Because because because we show him this, this, this wheel we show him.

25:46 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Show me the wheel, yeah.

25:47 Patrick Motsch: That's why we because. So we just show him the wheel and then we take it back that we see each other because the problem is when we show text normally in this call here you don't see good people. So I would prefer not to show the questions.

25:59 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. No, no, we we're not going to ship it.

26:00 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Because then we could have better send it upfront. I think that there's no need.

26:03 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Now and then then then if I see that, then I start already thinking about the next three questions.

26:09 Patrick Motsch: Exact.

26:10 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah.

26:11 Patrick Motsch: But so we show the wheel and we take it back. This is one thing, then, about perfect, then about the transcript. So after the meeting, now we analyzed the transcript results. Do you take now the the TLDV? Because then I take out the the meeting notes from us.

26:26 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. So.

26:28 Patrick Motsch: Not that it's like like a Peter said that it's full of AI's in this call. This is not good.

26:31 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah. No, no. So I will share share mine and with you and you can you can and then we look which one we choose, yeah. We don't need to bother Peter with that.

26:44 Patrick Motsch: And I just went afterwards because he he only sends after the meeting.

26:47 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Yeah, very good now, but let's do two you and me to to decide that. And then Peter can focus on having lunch and preparing his his opening, his opening. If that works, yeah, we do it that way.

27:03 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

27:03 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: How we run it, Peter opens hands over to me. Then do a personal intro for personal intro. Also, I'll hand over to you, Patrick and then you give it back to me, I do. 2:00 and 3:00. Then you you do. Four and five hand over to Pete.

27:23 Patrick Motsch: First part of five hand, I would repeat the feedback to finish.

27:24 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Exactly 5A and then Peter does with 5B and finishes the call. And yeah, we aim to finish at like 5 minutes before scheduled and then typically people are still relaxed. Yeah, I also. I say that quite often, and then typically it's a rush job anyway. Sometimes or maybe not knock on wood, but I think then at least it's clear who does what when. Yeah. Awesome. Jen's really looking forward. And I also said I wasn't really nervous, Peter. But yeah, of course I'm not leader of the s s, but I I did say to my wife it's it's an important day today. Yeah. With our first meetings in this initiative. And I'm I'm really looking forward to to making it a success together. There, with all of us.

28:09 Patrick Motsch: Yes, me the same I said. Exactly the same to my wife. Because for you, for me, Peter, also the customer is you know it's completely new. So I don't have insights anymore. I have a big respect on this, but I'm also happy that we can start.

28:22 Ommeren Pieter van (SB): Yeah, sure, sure. Thanks for sharing.

28:26 Jeroen Haverkorn van Rijsewijk: Nice. Anything else else you need from us, Peter or I feel comfortable. Excellent, excellent. All right. Well, have a good lunch, everyone, and see you in one hour from now. Alright. Bye bye.